The Jay Smith vs Shabir Ally debate is online at http://www.afi.org.uk/av/jsm2.html One year later, with the Da'iees attack stronger than ever before, the 2 titans of Christian/Muslim dialogue met again. Smith quite obviously had not finished nursing embarrasing wounds from the last encounter. The appearance of Shabbir Ally on the day poured buckets of salt in these already deep wounds, especially given Smith was not aware of who his opposition would be. For a whole year since Manchester, Smith had dodged debate requests by Shabbir Ally advocates, causing much disruption to student ti_meta_bles. Smith would initially agree to debate on Islam and Christianity, however would renege on his agreement the minute he was informed of Shabbir Ally being the opposition. Moreover, such was the cowardice of Smith that on literary internet arenas and on academic debating floors, he would openly express his desire to debate Shabbir. Alas, enough was enough and one Islamic Society decided to beat Smith at his own game. In early 1998, Birmingham I-SOC collectively arranged a debate on Islam and Christianity. The Muslims put forward their speaker as Abu Sufyan. The entire Christian representation naturally breathed a sigh of relief at the absence of the name which shook Christian Evangelism down to its very foundation namely Shabbir Ally. Smith naturally then accepted the challenge. Shockingly however with all the Ph.D's on Islam that J.Smith has, as well as the knowledge on Islam possessed by Christian Evangelists, they over-looked an apparently harmless Arab-Islamic tradition - namely the KUNYA. This is where an arab with a child named Sofiya, would be known as Abu Sofiya (father of Safiya). If these foolish missionary evangelists had understood the true message of Islam, then they would have discovered the tradition of the KUNYA a long time ago. Indeed, the misfortune of our Christian Brethren was due to their ignorance and lack of knowledge rather than any deception. Indeed then the fateful day arrived. A day which the Hyde Park Christian Fellowship and in particular J.Smith would never forget as long as they lived. The moment the Da'iee entered the room, Smith's face told the entire story. In this moment of pure shock, Smith muttered 'that's sh sh sha shab shabi shabir' and actually asked the Da'iee, 'are you going to debate'?. The Da'iee without hesitation replied 'You want to debate, let's debate'. The clash began, or in reality the whitewash. Smith presented his usual archaeological manu_script_ural corroborative claptrap. The Da'iee replied by questioning the very foundations of Christianity eg the role and person of Jesus, and questioned the illogic nature of core concepts such as the Trinity and Original Sin. Moreover, the Da'iee completely embarrassed Smith by showing Smith one of Smith's own papers in which he falsely made reference to another periodical. Smith was stuck, he had no way out. Late in the debate, Smith tried to salvage some last minute respect by bringing out alleged contradictions in the Qur'an. The Da'iee struck back by explaining these apparent contradictions as no more than a product of convoluted missionary work. Indeed, each one of the cases sighted by Smith was easily answered by the Da'iee. The Da'iee then hit back with a few aces of his own by throwing in irrefutable contradictions on the Bible. In conclusion, Smith and his attack had been bashed, scattered and trundled worse than farmer Gyles planting his seed with a 20 tonne tractor. For weeks and months following the debate, Smith attempted to divert attention from his humiliation via Shabbir's alleged deception. However I ask you a question was Diana being deceptive when she used the _title_ 'Princess of Wales'. Obviously not!! Although her name was Diana, she had the right to use the _title_ 'Princess of Wales'. Furthermore only an ignorant person not, aware of all the facts would challenge Diana on using her _title_. The situation with Shabbir follows similarly. I rest my case.